Day 3 – transparency, ballads and Trojan horses

This campaign is a genuine one. We promote our aims and publicise our views so the community can be kept up to date on the future of an important local building. People look to this website and Twitter for information so we have no problem that our site stats have seen a spike in the last few days, as the Appellant’s team ferret around looking for information with which to beat us with.

That genuine aim to do the best for the pub continued into Day 3 of the Public Inquiry, which opened with Cllr Tom Miller providing a pragmatic and balanced view of The Queensbury. It’s a treasured pub, people talk to him about it when he canvasses locally, overwhelmingly opposing the plans proposed, both last time and this. Then he opened the door to suggest planning is an iterative process.

Cllr Miller entered the dance with the Redbourne QC of which do you prefer, scheme A, B or the Appeal? It’s a beautiful ballad where we talk about the finer points of fenestration, alchemy of aspects and glory of gables. All of which is lovely but the core role of these proceedings is to assess the plan in front of us, not a hybrid combination of the three. This isn’t a beauty pageant or multiple choice; all three have been Refused and all three, separately, will be subject to scrutiny of Appeal.

STQ cross examined Redbourne’s final witness because he claimed there was social value in the plans. When pressed he couldn’t quantify this and tbh could not give evidence that anybody locally likes the plan. Oh and there is a kitchen, it’s just no labelled as one.

Then a “what if” session when we played a game of Spot The Trojan Horse

A developer will commit to a pub but the longer term aim is conversion to commercial or retail which is less hassle and generates more revenue for the apartments.

Imagine noise complaints to the Council from residents in the new flats, thereby limiting music and sound in the pub, or restrictions to the outside space in the summer evenings to avoid upsetting the folk upstairs. All leading to a non viable business. Then, a conversion to flats, retail or offices follows.

We were not being awkward today but in the game of Spot The Trojan it became apparent that the outside space of the pub would close at 9pm during the week. The proposed opening time is 11.30am, rendering Busy Rascals redundant. That beautiful and massive outside space at the front that Redbourne have been waxing lyrical about all week? That’ll have to make space for eight bicycle racks. Who could use the community space, when, how and what happens while building work takes place….. all kicked into the long grass with promises of future agreements. We asked several times, what the role of the public is in ensuring those agreements come to fruition and were left a little empty. Just like the Trojan Horse once it’s entered Troy.

Had we not been there today the future of The Queensbury as a viable pub would be in serious doubt. Shorter hours, smaller drinks terrace, open house on complaints from the neighbours…. we don’t intend to be deliberately awkward and none trustworthy but you can see out point, can’t you?

Day 2 of #QueensburyPI

Scheme C

Big day today. Well over an hour of cross examination from Redbourne’s QC, trying to undermine the campaign, downplay the loss of the building and big up the proposed replacement.

The QC provided a helpful critique of this website, suggesting we’ve been using Fairview’s tower image as the basis to get people to object to Redbourne’s. It was politely pointed out that he was looking at the Background section and it is, err, background and at the end of a long history of 110 Walm Lane on that page. Also asked how we know followers on Twitter are actually local, implying all and sundry could be following us. We agreed, then gave a tutorial of what Twitter is and how we know local people care.

All this was intended to undermine what has been, so far, a well orchestrated and vocal campaign to retain the building by a group of people without the formality of meetings and constitutions. Our collective expertise has got us this far and the QC seemed vexed that we dare to tread into the realm of professionals and experts.

STQ bit back, asking where the guarantees are that a pub will actually open at the end of all this. Silence. STQ noted Brent’s dire record of pub closures (40% since 2001). Silence. Polical chaos and economic collapse. Silence. STQ asked if the contract between the pub operator and Redbourne carried a guarantee that it would actually open. Silence. The point finally landed that we have words on paper and no matter what the good intention, the signs are not good.

Later we cross examined Redbourne’s architect. Why weren’t Busy Rascals and STQ invited to the exhibition of the plans? Why weren’t parents at Busy Rascals engaged with? Bizarre response – not everybody likes to go to a pub. (Note, Busy Rascals runs from the pub). They claim the community space is great, but haven’t actually asked people who might be using it. Some light at the end of the tunnel; they’ve worked on a pub conversion before so we’re keen to hear how that might work.

Day 3 promises more technical stuff, but important if the Appeal is successful….

Day one of #QueensburyPI

The Appeal on the demolition of The Queensbury began at Brent Civic Centre with opening statements from the developer’s QC, Brent’s QC and little ole us.

Mapesbury Residents Association came next and the Appellant’s QC tried to suggest that they had no mandate to object to the plans. The speakers, with 100 years experience of living in Mapesbury between them and serving MAPRA, put him in his place.

We opened up to outline why we are trying to save a pub that seemingly is safe (with a replacement promised), fearing that too little attention has been given to future pub protection. Our main goal is of course to save the existing building.

Brent’s independent design expert was hauled over coals. The QC suggested the building is four storeys; you cannot see the roof; there is s four storey block further down the road so what’s the problem? Look at Wesley Court and Erin Court etc etc.

When is a gable not a gable? What is a soft landing to a conservation area?

Brent’s Planning Area Manager and their expert both suffered from what the QC inferred a lack of time to prepare, given plans to defend the decision only started once the flawed plans of June were considered. Chickens coming home to roost.

Tomorrow is our turn to be cross examined. As ever we’ll look to save the building, thereby saving The Queensbury. We have strong worries that a pub in a new development will soon become unviable.

Public Inquiry

If you like The Queensbury, or dislike what is proposed in its place (or both) then you should try and get to the Public Inquiry from Wednesday at Brent Civic Centre.

Planning isn’t a contest of public opinion but public interest goes a long way so please pop along at 10am on Weds, Thurs or Fri this week. A show of strength reinforces our voice at the Inquiry, which is semi-legal and courtroom at times.

Brent Council are our friends and they will be cross-examined on their decision to refuse permission for Redbourne to demolish the pub. Brent have “witnesses” and once they’re done, it’s Brent (and our) turn to cross examine Redbourne.

Save The Queensbury have a formal role at the Inquiry as a Rule 6 Party, which is daunting.

So support from you, the public and pub lovers, would be great especially on Friday when we are cross examined on why we have worries over a replacement pub (and community space) and why we think the building should be saved.


Inquiry starts 28th August


The Queensbury pub bw

Brent and the developer’s agent have been beavering away to prepare for the forthcoming Appeal which starts on Wednesday 28th. Formal letters have been sent to all those who commented on any of the three Redbourne schemes (because they are so similar) even though the Appeal considers just one of these.

As things stand we still do not have a definitive timetable for the Inquiry.

Brent and the Appellant are working on a Statement of Common Ground which, once finished, is a useful document which does what it says in the title – they agree some basics (such as the plot is one that can be developed) which leaves the Inquiry considering the detail (mainly around conservation and the replacement design). They have also worked on a set of Conditions, which will have to be met should the Appeal be successful.

The Conditions are disappointing and fall considerably short on community space / access and pub protection in particular. They are nothing as detailed as the Fairview appeal which secured community access and interim space. Still no news of a kitchen for the pub either.

The Appellant has also submitted some revised drawings which is a little odd because surely the Appeal considers those submitted and refused already? Keep an eye on the Brent planning portal or the Inspectorate’s site for more information.

Contact the Inspectorate direct if you want to speak at the Inquiry. Or just pop along and listen in if you’ve time to spare?

Public Inquiry – paperwork now in!

All of our paperwork has joined that of the Appellant and Brent Council ahead of the five day Public Inquiry which starts at the end of this month.

Save The Queensbury are a Rule 6 Party which means we get a seat at the table to argue our case for saving the pub – and also tell the Inspector why we fear for its long-term future if planning permission is granted.

If you want to see what the discussion is about head to Brent’s website and look at the summary documents.